Furry Healing

Tuesday, September 12, 2006

A Different Take on RDX

The title links to a post by someone who is quite irritated by Veni charging for access to the website which hosts RDX. For those of you who are lazy I'll first quote the entire article and then my reply to it.

The article:

There's a raid addon called RDX (for "Raid Data Exchange") made by some warlock in a super-elite guild... and he charges for it. This makes me angry.

People leaked the code for "RDX 5" and apparently there's a version out there from the website "Conquest" with additions made by other people, so the addon-author "lessened the security checks" (I don't know waht this means--there's probably a Microsoft-style online check for authenticity/paid-ness and it disables itself if you haven't paid?). He claims that he "lessened the security" to give access to RDX 5 to the general public because RDX 6 is about to come out anyway. (I think a more likely story is that people got their hands on the code and un-securified it.) Now, you can pay to download the RDX 6 alpha, which doesn't work with a raid group yet.

I can't believe how elitist people are. Yes, I believe that he works hard on this addon. Yes, I believe that he is some kind of good coder. No, I don't think he should "restrict" his addon to world-first guilds who pay him. The whole point of a coding community is ... to have a community, right? Of course all the addons I've ever seen in the entire world were all free. Yeah, because of this you get a lot of shitty addons, but there is the occasional outstanding one, and those rise to the surface.

But he's charging for it because he knows his addon is good and "all the world-first guilds use it." He doesn't need it to be free to be widely used and he doesn't even want to offer it for public consumption because we're not good enough for him. I can't believe that he was able to pull this off. It makes sense though, because there's a small community of "world-first" guilds that are way above everyone else (we have no world-first guilds on Dragonmaw--far from it), and they use this as another way to make themselves feel better than the rest of us. Another badge of elitism--"we pay for RDX." It's just really strange. Even saying so reeks of some sort of crying on my part, "wahh those guilds are better than us and I'm just trying to think of something bad to say about them," but it's how I feel.

If I knew more about the politics of free software, I would say a lot more. I want to tell Lawrence Lessig about this or something. I just can't believe that requiring online "security checks" to use software (a la Microsoft) has found its way into the world of WoW addons.

See for yourself: http://www.rdx-raid.com
Someone in his guild has a blog: http://furryhealing.blogspot.com/
People elsewhere flame him: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5780 and in the thread about the world first 4 horsemen kill: Curse News Post ...etc. Google.

Very strange.


My reply:

Hi, I found this article from a technorati search because it links to my blog (http://furryhealing.blogspot.com). Seeing as you seemed pretty irritating by the whole thing I wanted to explain a little bit.

First, I'm not a member of his guild (Scions of Destiny I think), in fact I don't even know him except to know he writes some pretty nice code.

Second, I'm not even in one of these 'elite guilds' you mention. My guild isn't competing for world firsts, in fact for the most part we aren't even competing for server firsts (seconds maybe).

Third, RDX is most certainly not CTRA with some new bells and whistles. Personally I have not looked at the LUA code of CTRA particularly closely but I will tell you with certainty that RDX is far and away the superior raiding tool.

Fourthly, this is nit picking but since I probably sound like a prick anyway.. CTRA wasn't really the first raid windows either, it was just the most widely distributed.

Since I'm not in a guild competing for world firsts which requires use of this add on you may (or may not) be curious about why I chose to pay the money to get it. Its pretty simple really, curiousity. I was curious to see what the code for such an elaborate add on looked like (I'm a programmer/developer by trade), even more so I was curious to see if he could really deliver on all the things he's claimed RDX will be able to do.

To contrast, my experience with CTRA is that it is an addon of basic windows with some nice extra information available to raid leaders. However, it is extremely static, and has remarkably little customizability. RDX by contrast provides incredible oppurtunities to change raid windows in a way which makes them more useful to the user.

As far as paying for the mod, I actually understand where the irritation fueling those feelings comes from. The simple solution is of course if its not worth it for you, don't get it.

Thanks for the different point of view none-the-less, most of the things I read about RDX are about how great it is.


This is what I'll call a 'lazy entry' on my part. What I quoted for me is simply the comment I left on the journal article.

6 Comments:

  • Hello, furryhealing. I'd just responded to the comment you left back on my livejournal, and then found that you took my baseless ranting seriously and put it in your blog! I feel pretty embarrassed. I'd like to take this opportunity to do some furious backpedaling and offer the disclaimer that my journal is a place I dash off childish ramblings, and that rant was almost an experiment in how vitriolic an opinion I could express. But after all I did write it in a publically accessible space, personal identity crises notwithstanding, so I traipsed along over here to say hello and to apologize for my foolishness and for writing off people who "pay for addons." How puerile of me to mouth off about something I'm not qualified to mouth off about and then link to your post, as if your blog were some piece of static evidence with no human behind it or something!

    Anyway, I've since, um, calmed down a bit, and I realize that it is unlikely that the people behind RDX are promoting some kind of elitist agenda or whatever. I do remain curious about the legality of the whole thing (making money off of something that is Blizzard's? the member agreement that you agree to just by visiting the RDX site--how legally binding is that? what legal actions could they take if someone paid to get access to their code and then either left it on display for the public or built on top of it (clearly breaking the "member agreement")? i suppose the same could be said of... everything, operating systems, yadda yadda, but addons are within my realm of comprehension so i can imagine this scenario more than i can imagine Antitrust happening in real life. haha) ...but since I have no background in copyright law or intellectual property I have no idea where to even begin to answer these questions.

    Anyway, thank you for engaging me in dialogue. I'll find some time to take a real look at RDX instead of waving my hands at it in a knee-jerk reaction.

    By Blogger judytuna, at September 12, 2006 7:15 AM  

  • As to the legal stuff, in actuality Veni is not 'selling the addon' he's actually selling membership to the website where the RDX code is hosted, so only members can download the addon. To you and me, this basically amounts to the same thing. Legally its apparently a big difference since he's not actually selling anything proprietary to Blizzard. It seems like a fine line to me, but Veni is willing to walk it.

    If you do really want to take a look at RDX the RDX5 version is freely available at http://www.rdx-raid.com as you may have seen. However what is available there is the 'stock' version with pretty much no modules. If you want to take a look at a more fully featured version of RDX5 I recommend Overrated guild's version available at http://www.overratedguild.com/

    The version available from Overrated is actually mostly written by Gibyo and Itzengeld (sp?) of Conquest which also has a public release of RDX5, though they have held back more of their modules.

    As far as me posting my reply here, I felt the comments I had were relevant to people who read here since most of the hits I get are from people doing searches for RDX5 or RDX6.

    By Blogger E, at September 12, 2006 10:58 AM  

  • You silly furry beast healing is for Priests.

    However, I am now looking into RDX 6 more seriously as I begin to have more free time to dive deeper into the "raiding life".

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 12, 2006 11:33 AM  

  • My guildmaster tried to get us to take a look at RDX5 (the Overrated version), and a bunch of us downloaded it. I haven't taken the time to work with it enough to really see , but the "cleanse" list is quite beautiful. All the raid windows are quite beautiful, really, but I heard RDX is more of a memory hog (with all those extra features how could it not be?) and my guildies seem to prefer perfectraid... I'll play around with it more and see what I think. =)

    By Blogger judytuna, at September 12, 2006 5:35 PM  

  • You're right, it is a bit more memory intensive than CTRA and considerably more so than PerfectRaid. I've found if your computer has the memory for them though the addons don't really affect performance too much. I currently have my AddOn memory set to about 1 Gig of RAM out of 2 Gigs possible and it doesn't hurt my framerate at all.

    If there's lees than 2 Gigs available though and you run a lot of other AddOns (like I do) then RDX may not be the best choice.

    By Blogger E, at September 12, 2006 6:03 PM  

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